Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980

Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980

Losing Ground American Social Policy This classic book serves as a starting point for any serious discussion of welfare reform Losing Ground argues that the ambitious social programs of the s and s actually made matters worse for

  • Title: Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980
  • Author: Charles Murray
  • ISBN: 9780465042333
  • Page: 124
  • Format: Paperback
  • This classic book serves as a starting point for any serious discussion of welfare reform Losing Ground argues that the ambitious social programs of the1960s and 1970s actually made matters worse for its supposed beneficiaries, the poor and minorities Charles Murray startled readers by recommending that we abolish welfare reform, but his position launched a debate culminThis classic book serves as a starting point for any serious discussion of welfare reform Losing Ground argues that the ambitious social programs of the1960s and 1970s actually made matters worse for its supposed beneficiaries, the poor and minorities Charles Murray startled readers by recommending that we abolish welfare reform, but his position launched a debate culminating in President Clinton s proposal to end welfare as we know it.

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    The thesis of this book is that welfare increases poverty. It cannot reduce poverty. Prior to the 1960s, the prevailing view of the past 300 years or so was that welfare should be aid in the form of things like housing (think Dickens's Bleak House), not a direct dole out of money to the poor. Welfare was thought to encourage sloth and laziness: by increasing the value of being unemployed vis a vis being employed, the classic market response is to increase supply of the unemployed. It also increa [...]

    An excellent data-based analysis of the massive social programs introduced starting in the mid-sixties, and their effects. Murray convincingly argues that after billions and billions spent on welfare programs, including AFDC, food stamps, unemployment insurance, job training programs, and others, the effect on the target population has been mostly negative. He effectively shows that these programs actually caused harm. This is a harsh reality that people instinctively know but everyone is afraid [...]

    check a citation - any citation - and it certainly won't support murray's argument or say what he says it does. specious arguments to support bigoted AEI values/ideals. useful only for throwing.

    Generally an intriguing and useful book of information on the poor. I appreciated his attention to detail, but it got little dry in places. This was also hard to read as an audio book, and I really had to pay attention in quiet places to get through it. The second half was much easier for me to follow, as he uses stories as hypotheses and illustrates ideas with analogies. There are some good quotes and points to be pulled out.I like his examples of incentives and disincentives for poor families [...]

    In his ground-breaking (shaking?) work thirty years into the American welfare experiment, Murray opens with two assertions: 1) It was made profitable for the poor to behave in the short-term in ways that were destructive in the long-term.2) These long-term losses were then covered up--subsidizing irretrievable mistakes.The author proceeds to trace the statistical evidence of these assertions through a copious use of graphs. He cites three decades of trends in poverty, employment, wages and occup [...]

    I am a retired 30 year veteran police officer and started my police career at about the time "Losing Ground" was published. Through my police career I watched the deterioration of the poor, particularly Blacks. I always suspected that the government programs of the Lyndon Johnson administration had something to do with it but never had a way to confirm it until I found a copy of "Losing Ground." It is not a political book although politicians should be ashamed of themselves for what they did and [...]

    When this inveterate racist asks why Black people are out of work, the answer may surprise you! (spoiler alert: the answer will not surprise you). He uses lots of graphs to hide the fact that he obscures the situation by confusing correlation with causation - i.e. - as government means tested welfare programs have expanded the plight of the black male youth has gotten worse therefore the plight of the black male youth is the fault of expanded program. Nothing int he book (written 1984) would sur [...]

    An interesting data based counter argument to the standard rhetoric in my department where everyone shares the belief that all great things come from government intervention. I think Murray make a few causal claims that may be merely correlations. However, i like people who buck conventional wisdom, especially in the academy where there is a tendency toward group think. Data is old--would be interesting to see an update that includes post TANF data.

    The book doesn't lend itself to the audio book format, which was how I tried to "read" it. It's more of a text book than a good read, and you really need to focus on the information to absorb it, and unfortunately, my mind continued to drift while listening.

    I don't think will let me paste a five-page long "journal" for class in my review. Suffice to say that the margins in my copy are annotated quite angrily.

    The book begins to drag a quarter in, which tables and figures and statistics, but Murray rousing to a smashing conclusion at the end. Strangely, the text isn't racist, or even against helping the disenfranchised. Murray comes across as a sympathetic and introspective defender of better the life of the poor. Perhaps these labels flung against him are the result of his conclusion. He directly accuses the progressive social policies of institutionalizing the same racism they claimed to fight again [...]

    Losing Ground is Murray's comprehensive study of the disastrous effect of social welfare in the United States. Essentially, any of the social experiments were performed at the expenses of taxpayers with negative outcomes, what needs to be done is to create a colour blind society focusing on the hardwork of the individual or else it will destroy itself. The book is a little dated but still relevant to the socialization of schools, healthcare and crime.

    In a stunning turn of events, the federal government made things worse. The data behind this book is solid and cannot be refuted.

    I think he often confuses correlation with causation, and I thought a few of the stats were misused. Otherwise, I would give it 4 stars. Overall though, he's a great writer and this book challenged some of my previously held beliefs. If you are liberal and want to get another take on issues associated with the welfare state, it's a great place to start.

    “Losing Ground” was a fantastic read. Charles Murray’s thesis is that expansive, centralized social welfare programs are a net negative and disproportionately hurt the responsible poor. In the United States, as social welfare programs have expanded, the most vulnerable groups among us have seen their lot in life get progressively worse. Though social welfare programs may sound good superficially, the data do not support that expansive social welfare programs are a net positive.Murray first [...]

    Interesting Quote:"If an impartial observer from another country were shown data on the black lower class from 1950 to 1980 but given no information about contemporaneous changes in society or public policy, that observer would infer that racial discrimination against the black poor increased drastically during the late 1960s and 1970s. No explanation except a surge in outright, virulent discrimination would as easily explain to a 'blind' observer why things went so wrong. "Such an explanation i [...]

    Fascinating! Very relevant in todays sociopolitical climate! A must read for those who seek truth when it comes to entitlements, social transfers, and big government.

    This was 80% great book and 20% bad book.Most of it is a thorough, in depth analysis of welfare and the unintended consequences of social programs. Its thesis, backed by data, is that in trying help everyone, we only made problems worse and overall would have done more good by doing nothing at all. Murray did a great job of challenging things I believed and wrestling me towards the center with data. In particular, I appreciated the discussions about why someone in poverty would make decisions th [...]

    Charles Murray, through detailed statistical analysis exposes the horrible failure of the war on poverty. Poverty was on a steady decline until the mid sixties, when President Johnson declared a war on poverty. As soon as the war was declared poverty stopped declining and has remained roughly at the same level ever since. Why?The rules for remaining out of poverty are simple. Work hard at whatever job is available that meets your abilities, and don’t have children out of wedlock. However, when [...]

    Another clear, concise, data-driven book by Charles Murray. The general theme of the book is that social policy targeting poverty since the 1960's has only increased poverty, and will continue to do so unless policy is changed.If you can read between the lines throughout the book, he is ruthless with the "White intellectuals and elite." The condescension shown toward the poor (especially Black poor) population has only gotten worse since the 60's, yet it is this condescension that is the foundat [...]

    Sociologist Charles Murray claims that Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty did more harm than good. The poverty rate in the United States had been gradually declining for decades before LBJ's programs were started. In fact, the poverty rate continued to decline for the first few years of these poverty programs, during the late 1960s, when their funding was at a low level. But when the amount of money being spent on the War on Poverty increased dramatically during the 1970s, the poverty rate started [...]

    My friend Gene Anderson lent me this book and said I would like it. I thought "What could be more boring than a book on social policy"? I picked it up one night waiting for my old dot matrix printer to print out a letter and ended up reading till two in the morning. I couldn't put it down. It's the kind of book that you can open up to any page and immediately become engrossed. Charles Murray became one of my favorite authors and this book, though dated, is still in my top five.

    This is the third book by Charles Murray that I've read (Coming Apart and The Bell Curve). Losing Ground really expresses his Libertarian views and like his other books is rife with stats and graphs. This was written in Reagan era but still very applicable to today. It really makes one think about "the road to hell".

    Very well written, data-driven case study of why the Great Society was not only unproductive, but rather counterproductive. I loved the detailed, step-by-step explanations of how the social programs of the 1960s created perverse incentives and motivated short-term gains at the expense of long-term success.Must-read for those who care about reducing poverty, also for libertarians.

    Even though it is old it's worth reading in order to understand poverty in America.If we don't understand the history of how we got to today, we can not implement effective policies to move in the right direction.

    While not the most riveting book, it clearly presents the failure of the federal social programs. I disagree with his some of his conclusions that call for increased government intervention but the facts presented are useful in debate.

    Here, Charles Murray explains the conundrum that is the failure of the welfare state to solve the problems it was meant to solve. He provides access to statistics, charts and empirical evidence of his argument. It's a nice read with an important message.

    Murray was the first to describe how our attempts to rectify poverty were having the exact opposite effect.

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